The Champions League group stages have begun once again, and all eyes are on the elite of European club football, and in particular the group which has drawn four domestic champions.
English champions Manchester City would have wanted to make a better start against Real madrid last night, in the competition that they are competing in for the second time, having been eliminated at the group stage last time. They were beaten at the Bernabeu last night having had the lead, with two goals in the final minutes, the winner from Christiano Ronaldo, dashing their hopes of a dream start.
Depsite there being three chmapions in the group, an away trip to Madrid always looked to be their toughest test, and some may say they were lucky to have the lead in a game dominated by their opponents, but the manner of the defeat is perhaps what will have Roberto Mancini worried.
He knows as well as any manager that on Europe's grandest stage, not being able to see out a lead can be lethal, and more conviction will be needed from his side if they are to make progress in this competition.
The other English team in action last night Arsenal, also met a domestic league winner in current French champions Montpellier, started the campaign with a win. After going behing, two goals in three minutes from Gervinho and Podolski gave them the win, however it was not a performance to the standard of the team who thrashed Southampton 6-1 at the weekend.
There is a long way to go in this competition, but both these sides will need to be much improved if progress is to be made.